Episode 128: On Love, Safety, Belonging and Raising Your Self-Worth Through Inner Child Work with Veronica Grant
In this episode, I’m joined by Veronica Grant. Veronica is a Love + Life Coach, host of the popular Love Life Connection podcast, creator of the Love Action Tribe, and her work has been featured in O the Oprah Magazine, Bustle, Your Tango, and countless of other podcasts.
She helps successful women who feel like they have it all except love, find it.
You’ll hear us discuss love, safety, belonging, and how she uses inner child work to help women:
Learn how to love themselves
Learn how to let go of control
Learn how to raise their self-worth, especially when it comes to abundance and money mindset
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The Love Life Connection Podcast Episode 159: How to Love Yourself
The Love Life Connection Podcast Episode 163: How to Let Go of Control
The Love Life Connection Podcast, Episode 176: Raise Your Self-Worth and Attract More Money
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Naomi Nakamura: Hello and welcome back to The Live Fab Life Podcast. I'm your host, Naomi Nakamura. And today I'm joined by my friend and fellow coach, Veronica Grant.
Veronica is a Love and Life coach. She is the host of the popular Love Life Connection podcast and she's the creator of the Love Action Tribe. She helps successful women who feel like they have it all except love, find it. Veronica's work has been featured in O, the Oprah magazine, Bustle, Your Tango and countless of other podcasts.
In this episode, you're going to hear Veronica and I discuss a lot about love, safety, and belonging, and how she uses inner child work to help women learn how to love themselves, learn how to let go of control, something that I've personally been working on, and learn how to raise our self-worth, especially when it comes to abundance and money mindset.
As you will hear, the work she does is really, really deep, but it is also profoundly transformative and very, very powerful. To lighten things up, a few of Veronica's guilty pleasures include, psychoanalyzing TV and real life famous couples. I want to have her back for an episode just on that. Hiking with her husband and her cute little puppy, and sushi everything. My kind of girl. So with that, let's get to the show.
Hi, Veronica. Welcome to the show.
Veronica Grant: Hi, thanks for having me.
Naomi Nakamura: So we were just talking about it, how we met through a group program that we were in and I am using "met" in air quotes because we met online and you lived here in my neighborhood for a year and we never got together. We talked about it, but it just never happened. I'm bummed about that, but I'm glad-
Veronica Grant: Wish our dogs could have met each other too.
Naomi Nakamura: I know, they're both furry.
Veronica Grant: Little fluff balls, yeah.
Naomi Nakamura: I know, but we're here now. And I have been wanting to have you on the podcast for a long time and a couple of weeks ago, I was like, "Why haven't I had Veronica on?" Because I think we speak to a very similar audience and you have an interesting background, which I want to get into, but for my audience, can you introduce yourself and tell us what you do?
Veronica Grant: Yeah. I am a love and life coach, so I help women who feel like they have it all except love, find it and I also mentor other aspiring life coaches.
Naomi Nakamura: You actually started going to nutrition school. In fact, the same one that I did.
Veronica Grant: IIN.
Naomi Nakamura: Yes, IIN, Institute of Integrative Nutrition. So how did you go from there to love and life coaching? Veronica Grant: Yeah, that's a funny story. So IIN was part of my, I'd always grown up really being in fitness and nutrition and healthy lifestyle and I do think that there was part of it that was just a genuine interest, but also part of it came from maybe not the healthiest place because I also had massive body image issues and it was always trying to lose my last five pounds and blah, blah, blah. And so IIN was just kind of an extension of that. At that point, I wasn't necessarily on the diet train anymore, I was learning to connect with my body more and just connecting with food in a different way. And so IIN really helped me to solidify that ending and my life when it came to body image and things like that. Yeah, I originally wanted to be a coach to help other women do exactly that, help with body image and just having a healthier relationship to food and their body and exercise and weight loss and all that kind of stuff and I really hated it.
Veronica Grant: I would send my blog newsletter out on Thursday mornings and it'd be Wednesday night and I'd be like, "Oh God, I haven't writ anything yet. What am I going to write?" And I was just thinking one night, "If I hate writing it this much, people have got to really hate reading it." And I just wasn't feeling inspired, I just didn't know what to write about and my blog posts that got the most traction in those days, was this blog post I wrote about food labels and how a lot of food labels are total crap and don't really mean anything. And a lot of people were really interested in that because we always read food labels, anyone who ever grocery shops does and that was the most interest I ever got.
And I was like, "I don't want to talk about this. Who's going to hire me to talk about food labels?" The math didn't work there. And so at the time I was working with a combination between a life and a business coach and I was really, really struggling and she was helping me get this business off the ground, in the health coaching realm, and it just wasn't working. It just wasn't flying at all. And then I told her, just in passing, a number of different occasions, I said something around how one of my guy friends wants me to help him write his profile for online, so I was helping him do that. And then another friend wanted to take me out to lunch because she wanted my input on some relationship that she was in. And then I had a number of people in my community that I built with the health coaching, that came to me and they're like, "Well, I just want to lose weight because I don't want to date when I look like this or when I feel like this."
And I just said all these things, and my coach was like, "Veronica, have you thought about being a dating coach?" And I was like, "A dating coach, what is that? That doesn't exist." And she was like, "Yeah they do." And so she showed me the sites of a few dating coaches and I was like, "Well, holy hell, they do exist." And I got really, really excited, I was like, "Oh, I could talk about this and this and this and this and this and this." And in five minutes, I had six months worth of blog content that I was really excited to write about. And ever since then, that's where I've been. I started more of, "Okay, I'll help you with body image and confidence and dating." And that's how I got into it originally. Now it's not that body images doesn't come up with my clients or food or eating, that kind of stuff, but it's really just relationships and love and working through the inner blocks and all that kind of stuff.
Naomi Nakamura: Well, having gone through IIN, I think we both know those are considered primary foods. And I love that because I'm the same way, you come out of nutrition school and it's just such a broad topic, wellness. And I don't know about you, but I feel like when I have so many options, I get really overwhelmed and then I end up doing nothing. And I feel like you have just taken one aspect of wellness and love is a huge part of it and you've just really zeroed in on it and done it so well.
Veronica Grant: Yeah, thank you.
Naomi Nakamura: Really well. And you can tell in your passion, when you're thinking about six months worth of content, you're like, "I'm onto something."
Veronica Grant: Yeah. Yeah. And I haven't gotten bored with that since. I always just figure, okay, when I get bored with my content and when I can't think of anything else to write, then maybe I'll question if I'm still in the right field or if we need to pivot again. But it's been, I guess four or five years since I transitioned, it'll be five years end of this, no, four years, no five years end of this year and I haven't gotten bored yet. So we'll see.
Naomi Nakamura: Well, I don't think you can ever get bored with this topic. So I was perusing through some of the things that you've talked about over on your platform. And I mean, there's a number of things there and so many of these things come up for my clients, come up for myself too and I thought, "Gosh, I want to talk about all these things." But I picked out three and I sent them over to you and you're like, "Oh, we can talk about any one of them." And so the three that I picked out, the first one was, raise your worth and attract more money. And the second one was, how to let go of control? And that one really attracted me because that's actually something that I'm personally working on with my therapist right now, is letting go of control. And then the third one was, how to love yourself.
After you wrote back and said, we can talk about any one of these, I was really thinking about, okay, which one would stand out? And I was thinking, and I was like, well, what is at the root of all three of these? And really a lot of what you talk about and what came to me was someone's self worth and how they value themselves. And so is that something that you see come up a lot, when people are struggling with relationships and whatnot, it really does come down to how they feel about themselves and that part of it.
Veronica Grant: Yeah. I think in a lot of ways it does, not all the time, sometimes, actually my clients are very confident, well maybe it does really come back on self worth, but I do have some clients that are very confident and that have never struggled, maybe not never, but may not struggle as a lot of us might able to relate to, with like feeling confident in like, oh, does this person like me? Are they judging me? I know for me, I've definitely felt like that plenty of times. But I have clients where I'm like, "Yeah, I'm pretty good with that." They're not super self conscious in that area.
However, thinking about even those clients, I think sometimes it does come down to self worth because sometimes we accept the behavior that we think we deserve or we accept the love that we think we deserve. And so if you think that there's something fundamentally wrong with you, or that you're not good enough, or that you're not pretty enough, or you're not skinny enough or whatever, and someone treats you like dirt, then if your worth is really low, your self worth is low, then yeah, you might settle for that kind of behavior because that's what you believe you deserve on some level.
Naomi Nakamura: Going back to the first topic that attracted me, it was around money. And so much of, I don't know, especially what we do as coaches, it comes down to our worth and what we feel that we're valued at, in terms of people working with us and people would really pay this to work with us. And I know so many of the colleagues that I work with, I always tell them, I'm like, "You really need to raise your prices." And they have that fear about it and I'm like, "You're really good at what you do. Value yourself."
Veronica Grant: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, I think it's an interesting conversation. I think it's hard because we do get a lot of programming, especially as coaches, to charge your worth or raise your prices and blah, blah, blah. And I think sometimes if you do the math and you figure, okay, I could have realistically this many clients in a week and this many clients are paying this much, just do the math. Does it add up to something? You got to take out taxes, you got to take out expenses. Does it add up to something that you can comfortably pay yourself and support yourself and your family if you have one? If it does, then I don't necessarily think you have to raise your prices unless you really want to, unless you went after a different kind of client or different kind of business or a different kind of client experience. Because this whole thing of charging your worth, it actually bothers me because no one's worth is a dollar sign, all of our worth is invaluable.
And the work that we do is invaluable for our clients as well and so to put a dollar amount, I mean, yeah, I do think there has to be some sort of, I mean, obviously there's a value exchange there, but I think you also have to look at few things. I think you do have to just, you don't have to, but I think it's wise to consider the market and what other coaches are charging. That does not mean you have to be charging what other people are. It doesn't mean you have to be less than them because it's not like Walmart. I think sometimes we get really into the woo-ness of our industry and we forget that it's just a marketplace like everybody else or every other industry. And so I think you have to just take that into consideration when you're thinking about pricing and that kind of stuff.
And I also think that, I could say a lot about this, but I just think that you have to charge something that feels good for you, that feels like it's an equal exchange. If you feel resentful of your clients, if you feel like, ugh, then that might be a sign to raise your prices. But just because someone's telling you to raise your price or just because it's lower than so and so, or whatever, does not mean you have to because maybe you just want to serve a different kind of person, maybe have a different kind of client experience. I also think that the way that we relate to money and also the way we relate to, well speaking heterosexually, or to men or the people, the gender that we're attracted to, has a lot of connection together as well. And so often the way we relate to money will be the way that relate to the people that you're romantically attracted to because it really all just goes back down to our worth.
Naomi Nakamura: That is such an interesting thought, tell me more. And I say that is because, so I still have a full time job and I work in a very male dominated industry and it's been proven, not just in the industry, but in my company alone, that the women are significantly paid less. I always joke and say that the company would function much more efficiently if there were more women in charge. So I think the value provided is so, if not equal, more. But tell me more about that line of thought that you had, about how we value our money is also how we value the person we're attracted to.
Veronica Grant: Yeah. It's kind of like what I was saying before, if you put up with crappy behavior, it might be just because that's what you believe you deserve, on some level. It may not be what you consciously believe, but it might be unconsciously what you believe and that comes from inner child work, which we can talk about. And I don't think it's any different with money. If you feel like you can't ask for a raise or you feel like you shouldn't negotiate or it's a burden to negotiate, or they won't like you, or they won't give you the job or whatever, if you negotiate, or if you're scared of rejection by asking for the raise or asking for a promotion or whatever it is, or if you have your own business and you want to raise your prices and because you are feeling resentful, you do feel like you're not getting paid fairly and the value exchange is no longer equal with your clients and you feel like you can't do any of this stuff.
Then again, we often just settle for what we think we're worth because it just feels comfortable that way, because going to, what's the guys name, Gay Hendricks book, The Upper Limit, he talks about this upper limit. And so if your worth is at, I don't just give it a random number between zero and a hundred, if your worth is a 25 and then by asking for a raise or asking for your clients to pay you more and it starts bumping up against that 25 and it starts bumping up to a 26 to 27, you might be like, "Oh, that doesn't really feel good." And so you want to bring it back down to a 25 and you just forget about asking for a raise or you forget about raising your prices and you just stay there because you don't like it, but it's comfortable and the brain craves comfort, craves familiarity.
Instead if you were to do the work and to understand where the low self worth comes from, where the thought patterns come from, and you can do that through inner child work, then over time you can raise your self worth, maybe let's get up to a 30. And then that gives you some breathing room to ask for a raise, or to raise your prices or whatever it is. And you get to a 30 and then ultimately, or at some point you'll bump up there as well and then it just keeps going and it's just this game. And that's kind of like where the idea of new level new devil, comes from, we're never going to be free of hitting our upper limit or hitting our ceilings. At some point, we're always going to hit our ceilings, Oprah, I'm sure, hits her ceiling somewhere, her upper limits, she has overcome it.
Now her upper limit, may be a totally drastically different sphere than mine or yours, but she still has them and she overcomes them. And I assume she does because she keeps growing in her business and the work she does in the world keeps growing. So this is not just something that only you're facing with or only you're dealing with because you're some little whatever, no, none of that is true, this is something that we all deal with as humans. It's just that our upper limits might be at different places and you just have to keep pushing through. Shouldn't say pushing through, it's not the right energy, you have to keep working with the energy, with the thoughts, with the emotions that keep it there, so that you start accepting more money or better treatment from the people that you're attracted to.
Naomi Nakamura: So you talked about, and you just mentioned quite a few times, inner child work. So tell me more about that. Veronica Grant: Yeah. So inner child work is how I work with clients for the most part, especially with dating relationships, but it applies to pretty much any sphere of your life. Basically when we're kids, well, as all humans, we need to feel love, safety and belonging. And at some point in your life, we all experience this too, not just people from traumatic childhoods or divorce or whatever, we all at some point experience times in our life when we don't feel that love, safety and belonging, primarily from our parents. And when that doesn't happen once, because maybe it's a big traumatic thing, like a divorce or a death, or maybe there's just an incident, or there's a lot of violence in the house, or maybe it was just this repeated thing of not really feeling connected emotionally with your mom and so then you didn't really feel that love or that belonging or whatever.
Veronica Grant: And so that was something that happened over a period of time, rather than an acute time, either way you create some sort of story around the love, safety and belonging that you didn't get and from that story, you create some coping mechanism. And without that being in check, that coping mechanism often becomes a block or a pattern in your adult life, particularly in relationships, but it can show up anywhere. So I'll give you an example. So let's say living in your childhood home was like walking on eggshells and let's say, mom just had a total temper and you didn't want to set her off because she could be emotionally abusive or she could just yell or whatever and it was just really scary for you as a kid.
And so you learned that in order to feel at least somewhat safe, you needed to walk on eggshells and you needed to just not ask for anything and not rock the boat, not ever share how you really felt, because if you did, that can potentially upset mom and create an unsafe, not pleasant environment. And so if that behavior doesn't get looked at and healed, then often what can happen is as an adult, we can often attract those same kind of relationships because we'll enter into a relationship where we feel like, "Oh, I can't rock the boat. Or if I ask for what I want, or if I say what I really think or feel, then that's going to set them off." And oftentimes you might attract someone who is actually like your mom and it would set them off. And even if you didn't attract someone like your mom, that same pattern would still play out because you have no comfort.
And also from that ability to ask for what you want or ask for what you need or share what you really feel or whatever it is because you have this pattern of walking on eggshells. And so the work then, inner child work, is not just to be like, "All right, I'm not going to walk on eggshells. I'm just going to say what I think." Because you could do that, but it's just not going to be very safe because you might actually say what you think or ask for what you want, in an environment or in a relationship that's not actually safe, right? You have to actually do the healing work so that you can be better at discerning, who is it safe to be vulnerable with, who is it not safe to be vulnerable with? And you do that by going back to that little eight year old or six year old or 10 year old or however old she was, experiencing that experience with her mom.
And you basically then have to re-parent her and re-nurture her and re-mother her, re-father her, whatever it is, so that that wound can begin to get healed, so that that story, and then that pattern no longer becomes the dominating force. Because we created that pattern in an unconscious way, because it's like you learned to brush your teeth when you're two years old and it just becomes autopilot, you just brush your teeth every night before you go to bed for the rest of your life. And it's kind of like that too, when something happens when you're little, you just learn like, "Oh, that's just the way the world is. Can't ask for what I want. It's not safe." Right? And so you actually have to go back and heal that and say, "No, it actually is safe to ask for what you want."
This is not your mom's house or whatever and you heal that and then we can look at actually shifting the behavior. A lot of times we want to shift the behavior, like we want to go on a diet or we're just going to tell ourselves that next time we're going to listen to red flags or whatever. But you only work on the surface level actions, you're really relying on willpower and willpower is not going to change a damn thing, at least on over the longterm. You have to look at why are you doing it in the first place and inner child work, I think, is one of the best ways to figure that out.
Naomi Nakamura: So when people come to you, have they already uncovered what inner child work they may need to work on, or do you help them identify that?
Veronica Grant: Yeah, it totally depends, it's both. I have a podcast, so if I have clients who have been listening to my podcast for a long time, then they're going to have a good idea. Not that every stone has been unturned, however, they're going to have an idea, just because of listening, they're like, "All right, well, I can see myself in this situation and this is what was going on with my mom or my dad or whatever." And then I have some clients that they maybe never listen to my podcast or haven't listened very much and they're like, "Yeah, I'm not really sure, that's why I'm hiring you." And I'm like, "Okay, that's fine too." So it really just depends. Now I will say that my clients who have some sort of awareness as to where their patterns come from, we tend to move a lot faster because actually just trying to figure out the pattern, depending on how connected my client is with their past or with themselves, that can take some time just again, depending on the person, so I'd say it's both.
Naomi Nakamura: What does doing that work look like?
Veronica Grant: If we're starting from the beginning, then it's just a lot of, "Tell me about mom and dad. Tell me about your last few relationships." If you were married and you had a really long, significant relationship, "Tell me what was that relationship like?" So I just want to know what their relationship dynamic is like now and then what was it like growing up with their caretakers or their parents? And even if a parent or even both parents were absent, that's still important too, because that's still has an impact because that can lead to some abandonment issues or things like that. So that's what I start with first, just simply building the awareness.
And a lot of times this is where people just either get stuck or they just stop. And I'm not bashing therapy at all, but a lot of times therapy stops here. You just talk in circles. Well, I shouldn't say circles and circles, but you just talk about mom or dad or you talk about childhood and this is what a lot of my clients say and then they're like, "Okay, great. So you basically attract people like your dad, cool. Have a good day." And the problem is that awareness shifts some things, right? It can build awareness into your present day life, you're like, "Ooh, I see why I'm doing this. I'm not going to do that anymore." And you know what, for some people, it might be enough, right? It might be enough. Certainly wasn't enough for me, I needed to do something else, for some people, it might be enough. But I think for most people, we have to move into, is we actually have to move into healing so we can move into integration.
And that's, I think, where coaching comes in and I think that's why coaching is very different from most forms of therapy, where therapy is just a lot of talking, especially talking about the past, where my coaching at least, it's like, "All right, we're going to talk about the past." Because I need to know the history. However, we're not going to hang out there because as soon as I can see some patterns, then what I want to start doing is A, I want to start healing them. So we do it through letter writing and meditation and visualization and talking out loud to our inner child in various ways. And then I want to start integrating. So when you are on a date, when you are talking to your partner or when you are wanting to eat the thing or whatever it is, then you catch yourself and you say, "Okay, how old am I acting? Or what does this remind me of?"
And through the awareness and the healing, it's at that point a lot easier to then catch yourself in that, "Okay, is this my 30 something or 40 something year old self that's calling the shots here or taking the action or is it my eight year old really frightened self, not wanting to rock the boat?" And if it's your eight year old self, that's when you can catch yourself in real time and talk yourself down, re-parent her, re-mother her, give her what she needed, that she didn't get at the time and then from there you can choose a new action. And over time building that relationship with your inner child is how you change things in real time. And it takes time, not like, "Okay, cool. I got it. I'm good." Because you're going to mess up and you're going to not understand what was really going on or what the triggering thing was, maybe sometimes till the day after, in which case, you might've already done the triggered reaction or the triggered pattern or whatever.
That's okay, it takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of self compassion, it takes out a self forgiveness, but it also doesn't have to take forever either. It doesn't have to be this lifelong thing where you're a constant fixer upper project or whatever. It's just really a practice of remembering who you already are. Because with all of this love, safety and belonging, not being felt when you're a kid and then even as an adult, we build up all these layers, all these protective layers and so the work is not changing who you are, it's not improving who you are, it's not fixing who you are, it's just peeling back those layers. Again, it's going to take as long or as short as it takes and that's really what the work is, so that when you do get into those tricky situations, you're able to act from that place of who you really are, rather than this person who is scared or doesn't feel good enough, or it doesn't feel loved or doesn't feel safe or whatever it is.
Naomi Nakamura: That is some deep stuff, my friend.
Veronica Grant: It's very deep. It's very deep, but it's good work.
Naomi Nakamura: As you were talking about that, I kept thinking about my own situation. I told you that your episode on letting go of control attracted me because that is something that I've been working with my therapist for 10 years on a number of different things, but that's something that after 10 years he was like, "You have control problems." I was like, "10 years to figure that out?" I started working with him because I was having sleep issues and over the years, things have changed with where I'm at now. And he was like, "You have control issues." And I'm like, "I guess I kind of knew." And so as we're stripping that back and he's actually a little bit different, where he actually gives me homework and things to work on and we journal a lot. I share those things with him,
But it's interesting because what he identified that, and I feel like I do a lot of self introspection and I ruminate on things a lot and I do a lot of deep thinking about myself, but what he picked up, all my patterns from journaling, and this is me being very transparent here, is he basically said that I give my trust easily, but the minute it is violated, those walls go up and they never come down. And that's not just in romantic relationships, that is with friends and acquaintances and colleagues and just basically anyone that I come into contact with. And I was like, "That's very true." It's a similar experience of pulling back the layers, but then also, I've spent a lot of time thinking about, well, how did I become this way? And like you said, it really goes back to childhood and different experiences that I had. And I think in that situation, it wasn't necessarily family related, it was more childhood friend related.
Veronica Grant: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, I definitely think that inner child and we all have inner child wounding, no one is free of that. And I do think sometimes it may not be directly from parents, but it could be from teachers or especially being bullied or the mean girl thing. And parents can add or contribute to that because in a lot different ways, but maybe you were bullied when you were little and you didn't tell your parents. And maybe even though you didn't tell your parents, you still resented them because they weren't keeping you safe and so you created a story about that.
Or maybe you did tell them and they didn't believe you, or they didn't seem to care, they didn't do what you think they should have done about it. And not saying this happened to you, but I say this in general, usually parents will contribute to the inner child wounding that might've come from different sources, but then the parents in some ways contribute. This is not saying parents are bad or making a judgment as to whether they're good about it and I get a lot of people who are very concerned about that. They feel guilty, they don't want to make their parents seem bad or wrong and they might have good relationships with their parents these days and maybe not, but this is not a referendum on anyone's parents or their parenting styles because all parents are just doing the best they could at the time, with the tools and resources they had and that's all they can do and that's all we can ask.
And sometimes, if our parents aren't able to love themselves in a certain way, then they're not really going to be able to love you in a way that perhaps you needed. For example, my parents or my mom really, who always commented on my body, it didn't come from a place of hate or malice. It probably came from like, "I don't want her to get made fun of for being fat." Or it could have been like, "She's going to have more friends or more guys are going to like her, if she looks a certain way." And it might've been unconscious, whatever, but it came from a place of love, not really the way we want to necessarily receive love.
One thing that I want to say that you mentioned, is when I have clients that are practicing trust or vulnerability, sometimes the action is to just trust anyone. They go on a date with someone and part of them doesn't want to trust the person and they think, "Okay, well, it's just all my fear. It's my old stuff. So I'm just going to try to trust this person and going to go with it, or be vulnerable and I'm going to go with it." And the problem with doing that is that's not really the best way to trust or to try to trust or to be vulnerable or whatever, because you're not really using to discernment in that process, right? And trusting people and being vulnerable is not about like, "I'm just going to trust everyone and be vulnerable with everyone." Because then you're really setting yourself for, I mean, a lot, like rejection, heartbreak, embarrassment, shame, a lot, like a lot could happen.
And what I think the goal should be is practicing discernment. Is this person safe to trust? Is this person safe to be vulnerable with? And if the answer is no, it's a no. And now we can talk about it, is it your fear or is it actually some red flags going off? You know what I mean? That can be something that can be discussed later on, but I think it's really important to discern. And then from there, "Okay, I'm going to trust this person and make me vulnerable with this person. Because people's vulnerability and trust and stuff like that, is not a right within a relationship or between two people. It's a privilege. And I think sometimes, especially as women, we forget that.
Naomi Nakamura: Very well said. Oh my goodness, I'm so glad we had this conversation. So clearly you are very good at what you do and I definitely see the value that you bring to people. So you ha**ve your own podcast.
Veronica Grant: Yes. I have a podcast called The Love Life Connection, where I bring on clients and women in my community and I coach them, mostly through inner child work, mostly as it relates to relationships, but some with just life stuff. And I also, occasionally will have a new or an aspiring coach on my podcast and I'll coach them through mindset stuff or setting up their business, that kind of stuff. So yeah, lots of coaching, where you can hear me coach others and hear me go through the process. It's one thing to understand or listen to the process I go through, but it's not ever that step by step by step because we're humans and we're complicated and so when you hear me coach, then it can be really helpful in seeing how you can weave through and navigate and connect all the dots and work through all the different layers because we're all complex humans.
Naomi Nakamura: And people can apply to be a guest on your show, right?
Veronica Grant: Yes, yes. Yeah.
Naomi Nakamura: And where would they do that?
Veronica Grant: They can do that at veronicagrant.com/podcast. Or you could send me a DM on Instagram.
Naomi Nakamura: Cool.
Veronica Grant: I'm pretty active on Instagram, Veronica E Grant there.
Naomi Nakamura: Awesome. And I'm going to have links to the episodes that stood out for me, as well as the links on how to contact you.
Veronica Grant: Great.
Naomi Nakamura: Thank you so much for joining me.
Veronica Grant: My pleasure, this was fun.
Naomi Nakamura is a Functional Nutrition Health Coach. She helps passionate, ambitious high-achievers who are being dragged down by fatigue, burnout, sugar cravings, poor sleep, unexplained weight issues, and hormonal challenges optimize health, find balance, and upgrade their energy so they can do big things in this world.
Through her weekly show, The Live FAB Live Podcast, programs, coaching, and services, she teaches women how to optimize their diet, support their gut health, reduce their toxic load, and improve their productivity, bringing work + wellness together.
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