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Naomi Nakamura: Hi Sandy, welcome to the show.

Sandy Yang: Hi Naomi. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

Naomi Nakamura: I am excited too. Well, first of all, let's just give some background. We first met each other through the Human Design coaching certification program, we did together, a year ago. And then we continued on for an alumni group [crosstalk 00:00:57] Yeah, after our program ended.

So, I can speak to my experiences with Human Design and having a three line in my Profile. That's really my approach, in sharing my experiences, but I get a lot of questions about aspects of Human Design that are not a part of my design.

So you and I, we're both Projectors, but we have some pretty significant differences in our design. So I just wanted to have you on for a chat, and talk about how you experience your design, and specifically your Emotional Authority. But before we get to all that, tell us who you are and what you do.

Sandy Yang: OK. My name is Sandy Yang. I am a Human Design expert. I am a Brain Rewiring certified coach, and I am also an energy healer. I am a Projector in Human Design, Emotional Authority, 1/3 Profile. I think we are both 1/3 Profile.

Naomi Nakamura: We are.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. I have been coaching people with Human Design and brain rewiring for a while now. And I just love adding the Human Design element to the coaching, because everybody is literally so different. It's kind of just like, seeing what are the gifts they want to [inaudible 00:02:13] into and encouraging them and teaching them how to lean into their Strategy and Authority. And I find it to be super useful.

Naomi Nakamura: Yes. How did you come to get into Human Design?

Sandy Yang: I actually found out about it through one of those health and wellness podcasts I was into.

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Sandy Yang: Everyone was kind of, very into it. People were talking about how great it is. And I looked mine up, because I was curious, and I was just really disappointed and confused at first. The whole Strategy of Waiting for the invitation just sounded really lazy to me. And that's actually one of the biggest shadows I am working through. It was triggering to say the least, and I kept being pulled back to it. And I found this Human Design teacher that I resonated with deeply, and I just wanted to learn more for myself, actually, a funny story... March 2020 came along and I was like, "Huh, I feel like everybody's like learning a new skill. So-

Naomi Nakamura: Well, we all know what happened in March 2020, right. The whole world went into shut down.

Sandy Yang: ... Yeah. And I just made it my hobby. I just wanted to learn more, given the one in my Profile, really liking to research and learn and just become the expert in subjects that I am drawn to. You know, how, when you're really into something, you kind of want to just tell everybody about it? I was always asking people, "Hey, what's your [inaudible 00:03:45] time? Do you ever resonate with that gut response that people talk about?"

And that was actually an "Aha" moment for me, because as a Projector, I don't have that defined sacred role. I don't have that sacred response. And when people talk about follow your gut, I was just like, "Okay. I don't really know what that means."

Learning about my Emotional Authority, paired with my defined G Center, actually was like, "Oh, okay. This is how I am supposed to make decisions," to kind of lean into my innate sense of direction and identity for myself and pair that with leaning into my emotional wave, and kind of practice that patience to Wait for Emotional Authority to make that decision.

Naomi Nakamura: OK. You said a lot there, that I really want to get into. First of all, I think our experiences in coming to Human Design aren't that different. I was first introduced to it in 2018, because a couple of my friends got readings from someone who was just getting started. And so of course... I think at the time I was really into the [inaudible 00:04:50]. And so I looked up my chart, and we all know what the body graph chart looks like. I don't even know-

Sandy Yang: It's intimidating.

Naomi Nakamura: Right. And I put it away. I'm like, "There's no way for me to even know what this means." I put it away, and then come March, 2020, a friend of mine had a reading and was telling me, "You should look into this." And then I had a reading with Victoria, our teacher, and then, again, early days of the pandemic, and I just got the book and I just spent the whole time just reading it, until she started her certification.

But like you, I am also a 1/3 Projector. For those of you who are listening, I've done past episodes on the types, and on the Profile lines. You can go back and listen to that. But it's essentially what Sandy said, is... the Projector, our Strategy is to Wait for the invitation. And ironically, that's the part of it that really resonated with me. Because the first thing I thought of was all the situations, and where I didn't Wait for an invitation and how it totally fell flat, and I was really bitter about it. Which is the not self-experience for Projectors when things don't work out, we feel bitterness.

But then also with the 1/3, where with the one, we have to get to the bottom of things, we have to learn all the things, and then with the three, having to experience it for ourselves. That being said, we have a lot of similarities in our design, but we also have a pretty significant difference, which you alluded to, and actually added another one that I didn't even think about.

You are an Emotional Authority and I'm a Splenic Authority, and Authority is how we best make decisions. And the other thing you talked about is, how you have a defined G Center, which I don't have a defined G Center. A lot of times I'm trying to figure out who I am.

Sandy Yang: That's interesting because, to me, you know what you're doing, you're so confident, you're so well spoken. How does that... Okay. I guess we can get into it later, but-

Naomi Nakamura: It takes a long time for me to get there. But yeah, we'll get into that. For those who don't know, who haven't listened to some past episodes that I have, can you quickly share what having an Emotional Authority means?

Sandy Yang: Sure. So there are nine centers in the Human Design chart, where you have a center colored in is kind of what gives you flavor as a human being, it gives you information. The emotional solar plexus is all about emotions and emotional depth, and with that colored in, I have a defined emotional center, that makes me an Emotional Authority.

To me, how I experience this is interesting, because I actually have a podcast episode about this with another emotional Authority. She's a Manifestor and she experiences... There are similarities, but also so many differences. There are four ways that your emotional waves can express, essentially. The way mine works is, I love new experiences, adventures... I can have really high expectations about how things are going to turn out. I can get really into it, imagining it, anticipating it, gives me a high, it makes me so happy. But in reality-

Naomi Nakamura: It's the emotional high?

Sandy Yang: Yeah. But in reality, sometimes things go wrong, It doesn't turn out the way I expected it to. Maybe my life is a little more boring than I want it to be. And during most of 2020, a lot of things weren't happening, And I felt like, "Okay, every year is the same, what's the point of life?" I can kind of get into that melancholy that-

Naomi Nakamura: Emotional low?

Sandy Yang: Yeah. It's kind of like artists when they just don't have inspiration. It's kind of just like, "Huh. Life is just not worth living. It's just dull and unmotivated." That's how my emotional Authority expresses specifically. But in general, emotional decision makers, they best make their decisions when they sort of give themselves two or three days to kind of, feel into their emotional wave and make decisions from a place of calm, cool and collected.

People might resonate with this. It's like when you see something online that you've been eyeing and it's on sale, you're like, "Oh, I need to get this right now," And once you have this in your home, your life will be complete. And you're so excited, but maybe this thing costs, I don't know, $500. It's not cheap. And then you order it a week later, three days later it comes, I guess delivered, and you're like, "I don't know why I got this, why did I even get this?" This actually happened to me with Labor Day sales. I was eyeing the infrared sauna blanket. But I actually remembered to give it two or three days, because it is kind of expensive. Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Especially, if you know, you're making this out of... You're having an emotional response.

Sandy Yang: Like I need this.

Naomi Nakamura: Yes.

Sandy Yang: You know?

Naomi Nakamura: Yeah.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. And I was like, "Okay, I'll see how I feel two days later. It'll still be here."

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Sandy Yang: And the next-

Naomi Nakamura: The sale is still going on?

Sandy Yang: Yeah. And over the next two days, I had people just bring it up in a conversation like, "Oh, I just sold my infrared sauna blanket, because I wasn't using it as much as I thought, or its a bitch to clean." And by the end of the two days, I was like, "I don't really want this." That's kind of just an example, maybe a lot of people can resonate with.

Naomi Nakamura: No, I was like, "That's a really, really practical example." And as you were sharing your story, I was really smiling because as a non-emotional, for me that means I don't have a defined emotional solar plexus center, emotional versus non-emotional.

And ironically, I was telling you, I actually get a lot of DMs asking me questions about that, which is why I was like, "I need to do an episode on this, but I really need to have someone who's an Emotional Authority to talk to the differences."

And so thank you for sharing that, as a non-emotional person who's actually a Splenic Authority where the difference is, you take time... A couple of days to get emotional clarity.

The Spleen is very much about instincts and happening in the moment and spontaneity. I actually find that... I get flashes of moments of clarity, where I need to make a decision in the moment, if not, I'm gonna totally forget about it. Or it's just going to weigh on my head, like a burden almost, until I do something about it, if that makes sense. It's like that overthinking, and then it just becomes this... Again, it feels burdensome.

And that doesn't happen too much. For me, it's usually something happens in the moment and I think about it. And I'm constantly writing things down or... My Apple notes app on my phone, I think I have over 700 notes, because things come to me in flashes, in the spirit of shopping and stuff. I actually have a note for shopping and I have all the different store and brands that I shop with, where it's like... Not necessarily that, "Oh, I have a sale," but if something comes up, I'm like, "Oh, I need to get that," and I have to write it down, because if not... It's not something in the ordinary that I buy, like groceries or something. It's something like, "Gosh, I could really use this thing for this," I have to write it down.

Sandy Yang: That's so interesting because for me, I'm tempted to act in the moment because I know in a few hours or in a day or two, I won't have the same excitement, but acting in the moment actually doesn't turn out to be good for me, only with bigger things, bigger decisions, moving and buying like a big item, investing in something. With day to day things, what you're going to eat for lunch, it doesn't have to be so deep.

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Sandy Yang: But what you said, about things coming to you in flashes, so you have a moment of clarity. If you don't act on it, you might tend to overthink things.

Naomi Nakamura: I do, and it feels burdensome. So for example, and this is a totally different example. When we were winding down our coaching certification program, I was five years into health coaching, I had this podcast for like over three years, I feel like I was very established in the niche that I was helping people with. And I just had this thought, it came to my mind that it's time to wind that down and kind of, go full-throttle with Human Design. It was a very clear instinct that I had. The mind overthought things, right, and I was like, "I was established this way, I put so much effort into these things, I have my programs that I am doing, I can't do that." I didn't, for eight months, nine months.

And what happened in those eight and nine months was that, I had zero desire to speak or share about any of the services that I was offering. So I never once emailed my email community. I hardly ever shared about my services on social media. And I get a lot of my clients through Pinterest and through Instagram and through my email community. But there just wasn't the same energy behind it. I just had zero desire, pandemic aside because, I think we all went through weird phases in the pandemic, but just that energy behind what I was doing just wasn't there.

Sandy Yang: I totally get out what you're talking about.

Naomi Nakamura: Yes. And actually, it came from another source, somebody who was working with me and I shared this story a few episodes ago, on visual branding, and she was helping me just redo some of colors and whatnot, because she's a creative director and she actually is a stylist. And she helped me earlier in the year with some wardrobe things. And I said, "Hey, do you do visual branding? Can you help me with this? Because, I know you do other creative work." And she's like, "Yeah." And she does some energy work as well. And out of the blue, she just said, "Have thought about switching from health coaching to human design" And it never had any conversation or anything like that with her at all. And for her to come out and say that, it was almost like that was my invitation.

Sandy Yang: Hmm

Naomi Nakamura: And so once she laid that out and it felt like an invitation, it almost like all the resistance and the overthinking I did, just went away, and I allowed myself to entertain the possibility and to start to move towards it. And the energy all came back again, the excitement around what I was doing. I don't know how people found me, but I've had people booking readings with me consistently since then. And there is the part about my 1/3, where we need to feel that we know enough to get started.

Sandy Yang: Yeah.

Naomi Nakamura: I still struggled with that. I struggled with, "Do I know enough to be able to show up and provide this for somebody to guide? Because this is really... I don't take the work that we do lightly. I feel like it's very impactful, it's very influential. It can be very profound for people, and I want to make sure that I am sufficiently equipped to be able to provide that space for them.

I literally did not feel that until I allowed myself to entertain this. And since then, I've been able to make quite the shift into reshaping my services, to be more focused on Human Design and whatnot.

This is totally your episode, and I just shared my whole story. But that is an example, I think for me of what happens when you don't listen to your Authority.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. And I love that. You had that clarity, you had that instinct, right, that came in the flash and you were not ready to make the shift, but it kept coming back. Right.

Naomi Nakamura: And so, again, as a non-emotional person, this is how I experience my Authority, which is very different than how you as an emotional person would experience or your decision making... And actually you, at one time, also worked as a health coach and you made the shift as well, to do energy work and Human Design. Did your Authority play any role into making that decisive switch?

Sandy Yang: Interesting question. No one ever asked me that. But I got into the whole wellness thing because I wanted to learn more about nutrition and wellness, living better. And I feel like that's how most people get pulled in.

Naomi Nakamura: Usually, we come from a stressful situation, that's not serving us, that we desperately feel like we need to heal and recover from.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. And I feel like, maybe is a Projector thing too. There's this seeking of feeling good and feeling light. So, okay, I was super into health and wellness, I was reading all the bio-hack stuff and I don't know, at one point it just felt too much, I didn't want to learn anymore. It wasn't bringing me joy, I didn't feel happy to talk about it. As an emotional Authority, you are supposed to make decisions that bring you happiness.

Naomi Nakamura: You're guided by your feelings. It's the whole emotional awareness.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. Yeah. But also, not make a big decision from that super high, emotionally charged place. So it's like balancing the two. I made the switch because I was not showing up, I didn't want to talk about things or create content related to what to eat, and bio-hacks or infrared sauna.

So I was like, "Okay, I want to share on Instagram, but I don't want to share about this topic." Not that it was not worth sharing, but I just didn't have the right energy behind. And when I was encouraged by my business coach to lean more into human design, I was excited to share. And like you, it was responded with positivity and you felt invited to continue to do that.

Naomi Nakamura: Listening to the words you used, it's like, the energy behind what’s happening led us... It came about in different ways.

Sandy Yang: This is so cool.

Naomi Nakamura: So, what are some other ways you just have noticed your Authority, just meeting you. I know you talked about big things, but does it ever show up in little things, or maybe not super little, but not the major life decisions?

Sandy Yang: With my specific emotional wave, it really is about practicing patience. And with emotional authorities, I feel like we can all resonate with it. My general rule is, I know where I'm going, and my sense of direction will just lead me, and I will be careful not to make super emotional decisions with day to day... Sometimes I feel really annoyed at people or I want to send an angry email back when I was working in corporate. It's like having healthy place to express emotions without hurting other people, because sometimes I just won't like yell at people and say really mean things, and I can be really good at it. But that's not necessarily healthy.

Naomi Nakamura: Or helpful.

Sandy Yang: Yeah, definitely not. Just like practicing how to welcome the lows and know that it will pass and it's not necessarily personal.

Naomi Nakamura: That is huge. Especially for someone who is an emotional or has an emotional Authority, but doesn't have a lot of awareness around it, right. It's like, there's no such thing as bad emotions. I like to say emotions are like energy in emotion. And again, it's just Waiting for the waves to pass, for the moments of clarity to come.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. And there's this one Human Design teacher who described it this way, He's like you can't probably say, "Oh, Emotional Authority, wake up with emotions." It's kind of like, you have a soundtrack playing in your life and you don't have control over it, some days you wake up, it's playing super upbeat music and you just have a great time. And other days it plays slow, blue, melancholy music, and that's kind of just the energy on that day.

It's actually beautiful when you stop trying to fight it, and just kind of let it be. It's also like a divine timing thing, which was eye opening for me. It's like, "Oh, when you're Waiting that two day or three-day period to make your decision, it's kind of like, the universe is putting things in the right places for you." That infrared sauna blanket example, like all those people just popped up and was like, "Huh, I didn't really enjoy my infrared sauna blanket.," I'm like, "Oh, oh, why not?"

Naomi Nakamura: No. Yeah. And you're right. It is exactly what you said. It's about less resistance and less fighting and just letting things be, because if you just let things be and you just follow your design, then you can trust that things will progress or work out the way it's meant to. And I think it gives us a different perspective, again, a different level of awareness, right? Think about it, if you have an emotional Authority and you're are not aware of it, and you're experiencing these super highs and these super lows, and you don't have any context into what's happening, you can feel out of control.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. Like, am I crazy? And when I first learned about, "Oh, you're Emotional Authority," I was like, does that mean I'm insane or crazy? Because, actually, growing up... There's this shadow of mine, like will I act out as a child? My parents will be like, "Oh, here you go again. You're too emotional." So I kinda associate emotions like a bad thing.

Naomi Nakamura: Yeah. Misbehaving.

Sandy Yang: Or crazy, because boys will be like, "oh, girls are so emotional."

Naomi Nakamura: Which, again, is a result of someone else's reaction to you. Not necessarily who you are.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. It's triggering their own shadow. So with my ex-boyfriend that I lived with, we were both, Well, I'm still emotional Projectors. Throughout the years when he would have a low, I would be like, "Oh my God, It's my fault, you did not make him happy, how do I make him happier?

Naomi Nakamura: Well, he's also giving off the energy that you're picking up too.

Sandy Yang: Yes. And vice versa. Now it's like, "oh, I could have just let him be, and that wave would just pass eventually."

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative). I'm super curious about how you also bring in your defined G Center, which is the center of identity and direction. What is that like? Because, I do not have a defined G center. And so I really feel that, I pick up different traits from people who I'm around, which in some ways, I have been accused of being somebody that I'm not, or trying to copy whoever I'm around. And I'm like, "I'm not even consciously doing that."

And then when I learn you have your G center, you're like, "Oh, it's no wonder, it's because I don't have the center defined." So what is it like to have a defined G center?

Sandy Yang: Well, for me it's like, I just know what I am meant to be doing. I know when I am acting in an inauthentic way, when I'm faking something and maybe I'll see a certain quality in somebody else, I'm like, "Oh, I need to embody that, that is what I want to be." Just like that clear knowing.

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Sandy Yang: But just because I have that clear knowing, doesn't mean I am embodying this quality immediately. It's just like when I am... let's say, if I work in this company that isn't right for me, I know all the time, it doesn't mean I'm going to make a move, if I know I need to. Does that make sense?

Naomi Nakamura: It totally makes sense, because then you have extenuating circumstances that come into the situation too. For example, your job's not for you, but you can't realistically just quit tomorrow without another job lined up, right.

It's like you're having a level of awareness there, and with that awareness, that's when you have to decide if you're going to do anything about it or what you're going to do about it. And again, there's no timetable that says what you're going to do about it, but it's very helpful to have that level of awareness, so that you at least have context as to what's going on.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. It's kind of like, generate a Strategy of responding to things. Oh, this thing is like presented to you and you're like, "This is me or this is not me," you know what I mean? Actually, thinking back, when I was in college and I took on my accounting minor and was going to pursue that CPA path, I always knew, this doesn't sound like you, but it'll make you decent money. So let's just go with it.

Naomi Nakamura: Right. And again, it's that whole, what society tells us or the perceptions that we've acquired over the years, as opposed to what we just know about ourselves.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. For you, How is that like? Do you unconsciously pick up your environment?

Naomi Nakamura: I think so. It's interesting because... Well, first of all, in my personal and social life, I have different groups, different communities that I'm a part of, different groups of friends and then family and whatnot, and rarely do they cross over. Even in my work, I've been in the same industry for over 20 years, but I've worked at different companies. A lot of the people in the industry know each other, but I have to think about, "Okay, I know this person from this job, or I know this friend is from this group, but this friend doesn't know this friend." And that is just something unique, that's just nothing to do with human design, it's just kind of how my life plays out.

But I find myself playing different roles for approaching each group differently. Whereas with certain groups, I might be the one who makes a lot of the decisions because we have a lot of people who are indecisive, Or in another group, I might be the one who lets somebody else make all their decisions. And so I feel like I have different identities in different groups, and I can't say that I feel either way about either one. I don't feel bad that I'm one way here, and not one way there. I don't have any type of opinion about it, either way, it just is what it is. But other people have opinions about it. If that makes sense.

Sandy Yang: So interesting on defined throat. I know [crosstalk 00:27:54] Yeah. We both have the defined throat, I think. It's kind of like when you have an undefined throat, you can still have a podcast, but just the way you decide what to say or how to say it, is inconsistent. And when an undefined throat is speaking in front a group of people, they just know what needs to be said.

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Sandy Yang: And it would be unproductive if they had prepared and rehearsed hundreds of time beforehand. So when you're in that indecisive group of people, you're like, "Okay, I need a step up to be the decisive one." It's like very natural to you.

Naomi Nakamura: That's actually a really good comparison with the undefined throat and defined throat, with the G Center.

Sandy Yang: Yeah.

Naomi Nakamura: Well this has been so insightful. I don't think I've had anyone on, in well over year, a guest speaker to join me on talking about Human Design. Is there anything else you want to add, that we haven't talked about yet, in terms of having an emotional Authority and being guided or living as an emotional being?

Sandy Yang: I think if you're listening to this, you understand we are all exchanging energy with one another. So as an emotional being, when you're on your emotional high, you literally lift up the emotional energy of the room or whoever you're with, but when you're in that low, you are doing the same thing. You're projecting that energy out and everybody's picking it up. When you are feeling not so great, it is completely okay, obviously if you have to show up, you have to show up, but it's so okay to take time for yourself.

And I'm "No journal, cry, punch a pillow," like do your thing, that is very, very healthy. And with making decisions, when you make that decision from a place of calm, cool and collected, it actually feels more like 75, 80% certain that, "Okay, this is the right decision." So if you don't feel a 100%, this is a yes, that is completely normal and okay.

Naomi Nakamura: Such great perspective to have. When you're talking about, emotional authorities have such influence on the energy of the room that they're in. Yes, because I'm the child of a parent, who is the emotional Authority. So when that parent was on a high, the rest of the family was on a high, when that parent was on a low, everybody was on a low. We all knew what the emotions were going on.

Sandy Yang: Ok. I'm curious with the people in your life that you know, who are emotional authorities. Did you ever think, "Wow, they're kind of selfish?"

Naomi Nakamura: No, I wouldn't say selfish, but I would definitely say, before even knowing what Human Designis, there were definitely emotional ways of highs and lows. And I think for certain people, it's almost like we knew that. Not that we discounted them because of their emotions, but if we literally just Waited, the emotion would pass. If that makes sense.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. That is the same with everybody, too.

Naomi Nakamura: Right. But this is before I even knew anything about Human Design. It's just like with certain people in my family. Just give them space and Wait it out.

Sandy Yang: Yeah, totally. And it's interesting to think... Let's say you are an undefined emotional and you ride the train, you work in the city, you go to different restaurants and you are picking up emotional energy-

Naomi Nakamura: Everywhere.

Sandy Yang: ... Everywhere. And you can bring that into your own home and sleep in it, and it's all tangled and messy. So it's very important to differentiate what is yours and what is not. That just takes some-

Naomi Nakamura: Takes a lot of work.

Sandy Yang: ... energy work.

Naomi Nakamura: Yeah.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. We all have places where we're picking up our environment. So, that energetic hygiene is really important.

Naomi Nakamura: Oh, I love that energetic hygiene. I did a reading for a client a couple of weekends ago and she was like, "Wow," she's like, "This will take me a long time to learn." I'm like, "oh, this is like a lifetime learning." This is not something like, "oh, I'm gonna learn this in three months. And in three months, I'll be totally clued into my Authority." I'm like, "No, it literally takes a lifetime." Plus our environments change and different inputs, we have, change, and so we're constantly adjusting.

What Human Design has come to mean, to me, it's three things it's: body awareness, mind awareness, and emotional awareness. And different energy centers speak to those things, different parts of our chart. But really if we just have that awareness... I borrowed this from a friend of mine, "To have self-observation with non-judgment." I really do think that's where a lot of, just the personal work.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. I feel like it's hard to see ourselves, but it's so easy to see everybody else.

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Sandy Yang: And give other people grace and kindness, but yeah, we need to give it to ourselves too. Yeah. I love what you said that this is like a lifetime experimentation. Yeah.

It's just like practice too. Before I would be so afraid to lean into my Strategy, "Oh, if I don't make a move, no one is going to invite me." But for us as Projectors, knowing, trusting that the right people will come and they will invite you, and you also have to get really good at recognizing yourself and putting yourself out there in a big way. It's really interesting because growing up, I was so shy and I was like, "huh"... there's always this voice in my head, "Huh, You really need to get over this," But the other voice is like, "Well, you're going to work as an accountant, so you don't need to," right.

Naomi Nakamura: Right. Yeah. It's really interesting. And like you said, it's just, I don't know, I kind of feel like this whole thing is an experiment, right. And again, speaking from our third lines, right.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. Also, one thing that Human Design is really helpful, for me and my clients and my friends, is that you get to really understand what is authentic to you.

Naomi Nakamura: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Sandy Yang: We all have... Well, we both have podcasts and I know you started yours way earlier, but with me, when I was just listening to podcasts, I was so obsessed and I wanted to have my own, but I couldn't tell if I wanted it because everybody cool had one, or it was like an authentic want from the heart. And learning about my chart on a deeper level, with the channels and stuff, I was like, "Oh, this is what I'm meant to have, what I'm meant to do." So, I think it really helps with, I guess, manifesting. Right.

Naomi Nakamura: And I think you're coming at it from this energetic place where you truly know if something's for you. And I think that really has an impact in your motivation, which I know there's a whole different part of human design, and it talks about motivation, but that's not what I'm talking about here.

Sandy Yang: Yeah, yeah, yeah. let's not go there.

Naomi Nakamura: Yeah. Let's not go there.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. I'm actually really curious. How has learning about being a Projector impacted how you approach work?

Naomi Nakamura: Well, I still have a corporate job, which I very much enjoy and it actually validated that because I am a project manager. So project manager, Projector, there's a lot of alignment there. So it really validated because I actually did struggle in my work as a project manager, because honestly, the work comes so easy to me, that it doesn't feel like work.

There was a time where I was like, "I can't believe I'm being paid this much, when I don't even feel like I'm working" And that's something that was very validating. But in my coaching practice, it was actually a stress reliever. It felt like it lifted a burden off my shoulders because I think a lot of our world, and a lot of our society is built around Generators and Manifesting Generators, and why not? Collectively, there are like 70% of the population, right? A lot of the best practices and different strategies and techniques, I think are very generator focused or MG focused.

And they do not work for me. And then you start to feel like, "Well, why isn't this not working for me, when it's working for all these other people? And then you start to feel like a failure and you start doubting yourself and questioning yourself, and questioning, "Gosh, am I meant to be doing this? Is anybody listening to me?" When I learn that, "Oh, I'm a Projector." First of all, I need to manage my energy and just let myself rest. And then secondly, to actually Wait for the invitation, but then while I'm Waiting, these are the things I can be doing. It really was a burden lifted off of my shoulders, because it showed me that there's not just one way to do things.

Especially if you're in this online business world, you can be listening to people like Amy Porterfield, she'll tell you, "likely, you're supposed to do it this way" or [inaudible 00:36:56] or whoever, but that doesn't feel good for me. And it's different from getting out of your comfort zone. Again, that knowing that this doesn't feel right for me, "Oh, but Wait, you don't have to do it this way, this is not the only formula for success. There's many different formulas for success." And I think just learning about my type and my Strategy and the best way to go about making decisions for me, my Authority, it was like a burden lifted off of my shoulders.

Sandy Yang: Wow. I love that. I love what you said about your corporate job and how you love it and you enjoy it, and it's so easy. That's actually how things should be.

Naomi Nakamura: Well, there's a lot of other extenuating circumstances there, that are completely above my grade and beyond my control, but what I do have control over, I find very enjoyable. Sandy Yang: Yeah. OK. I love that so much. I worked in a public accounting firm and it was very much about, "oh, how many billable hours can you bill?" And the more you work the better, and I was, "Why do we have to work so hard? Isn't life meant to be enjoyed?" Naomi Nakamura: Yeah. Again, very focused on that whole Generator, MG.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. That's correct. In terms of productivity, but MGs and Generators, they're not necessary encouraged to be-

Naomi Nakamura: Work 80 hours a week.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. And a lot of them don't work in jobs that give them that satisfaction. So a lot of workplaces don't encourage people to build boundaries. The world is definitely changing.

Naomi Nakamura: Yes it is. I definitely see it, even in my corporate job. And I work for a pretty large tech company and I definitely see the changes happening there, happening at the very high level. The executive level is slower trickling down to the teams level, and the middle management level. But it's getting there.

Sandy Yang: Mm-hmm (affirmative)

Naomi Nakamura: And it's interesting just to observe that shift happening.

Sandy Yang: Oh, that's wonderful.

Naomi Nakamura: Anything else to add before we close? How can people connect with you?

Sandy Yang: You can find me on Instagram as @Sandyyang.hd and I have a podcast called, Design Your Life With Sandy, where I talk about Human Design, Brain Rewiring, energy stuff, all the juicy topics. Yeah. I would love to connect and see how I can help you. And we can talk about all the things. Human Design is my favorite topic

Naomi Nakamura: And your website. What's your website?

Sandy Yang: I actually don't post a lot on there, but these are the places that I'm most active on.

Naomi Nakamura: Okay. And I'll link to all of those in the show notes for this episode. So people can go find the show notes and get all of your information there, if they were driving and they weren't able to write it down.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. I cannot Wait to connect.

Naomi Nakamura: Yeah. Thank you so much for your time and for sharing. I mean, this is a topic we both love, so hopefully we have shared some interesting insights here.

Sandy Yang: Yeah. It's been a joy to talk to you.